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on the other coast, you're in san francisco. that had apiey oakland different feel. what is your view of the social movement? >> they were reactive. and fizzled away. i saw what happened in oakland with occupy. problem is that understood consensus to a fall. it became a degradation of the democratic [inaudible] and it could not come up with a mature way to deal with -- create discourse within their ranks so they could create a coherent set of ideals. to do that you have to concede there is such a thing as hierarchy and it is not necessarily picture " or -- patriarchal. you do not need a formal pecking order but you will get rules and order. burning man despite its size and location and is said to be very well-run. there are norms and laws on the ground. >> that is what we do. >> some of you might have been there. >> we build a temporary city in the desert. it has all the -- it is everything any normal city would provide. it last trade days. -- lasts for eight days. it is kind of radical but radical in both senses of that term. radical conventionally means pushing boundaries, going bey
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